RE: do you think people who claim to be emo hide behind a label? | from BubblesMay 02 2005 - 04:33
So do me and the kitties!
So do me and the kitties!
i love rush.
Hey yeah thanks everyone who participated I am going to use ron's comment, i think it best describes what I am writing about so thans for everyone's input I really appreciate it. Oh and green hit it right on the head to.
Emo jumped the shark with the momentary rise of Dashboard Confessional. What a bad band. Jimmy Eat World? Yuck.
And that essay leaves out one of the biggest purveyors of emo in its original dress -- the Karl Hendricks Trio.
Nation of Ulysses an emo band? Ian Sevonius might write a manifesto on how wrong that is. Same with Fugazi.
Isn't it more apt to say that emo was punk music about relationships? But over time it evolved into something not punk at all, either in attitude or structure?
Sunny Day Real Estate was cool. I saw them play maybe three years ago. I think it had to be one of their last tours. they played a lot of Rising Tide stuff. they were one of my favorite bands back in high school. to me, they were the first and last emo band to really influence me, because I just felt that they were just beingthemselves, and not really going for that label. it took me a while to get into Appleseed Cast because like a lot of emo bands of that time, I thought they were just all up on SDRE's dicks. anyway...I just can't take anymore of this trend. it's so tired already.
whoa. Appleseed Cast is really emo. but I like some of their stuff. Pedro the Lion's "Control" is good too, in my opinion.
I think emo was better when it was just a word loosely used to describe maybe 3 or 4 bands, and not a fashion statement and whatever else it is now. if I have to see one more guitar strummin', swooshy-bang drooping, black-hair having, converse shoe sporting, tight-girl jeans wearing, whiny grown-ass man always looking away from the camera trying to look like a 14yr old, I'm going to cry and write a song about it.
...when it comes to music that is.
Do you consider bands like Pedro The Lion, Elliott, The Appleseed Cast, This Beautiful Mess and At The Close Of Every Day emo? If so, then I guess I am one of them emokids.
Rush is the worst "emo" band of all time.
"the rising tide" is a good album. and i think we already may have discussed that one a long time ago. (i mentioned that, at times, that album has a strong Rush influence). that article is all good in terms of theory, but the reality of what "emo" is today is not at all congruent with the article. i guess when i think of Fugazi i think of one of the all-time greatest rock bands ever, not an "emo" band. and Jimmy Eat World is hardly worth mentioning... unless you're comparing them to fried shit on a stick. i think they are absolutely one of the worst bands ever... and i do mean EVER.
The definition of "emo" according to www.allmusic.com...
"Originally an arty outgrowth of hardcore punk, emo became an important force in underground rock by the late '90s, appealing to modern-day punks and indie-rockers alike. Some emo leans toward the progressive side, full of complex guitar work, unorthodox song structures, arty noise, and extreme dynamic shifts; some emo is much closer to punk-pop, though it's a bit more intricate. Emo lyrics are deeply personal, usually either free-associative poetry or intimate confessionals. Though it's far less macho, emo is a direct descendant of hardcore's preoccupations with authenticity and anti-commercialism; it grew out of the conviction that commercially oriented music was too artificial and calculated to express any genuine emotion. Because the emo ideal is authentic, deeply felt emotion that defies rational analysis, the style can be prone to excess in its quest for ever-bigger peaks and releases. But at its best, emo has a sweeping power that manages to be visceral, challenging, and intimate all at once. The groundwork for emo was laid by Hüsker Dü's 1984 landmark Zen Arcade, which made it possible for hardcore bands to tackle more personal subject matter and write more tuneful and technically demanding songs. Emo emerged in Washington, D.C. not long after, amidst the remnants of the hardcore scene that had produced Minor Threat and Bad Brains. The term "emo" (sometimes lengthened to "emocore") was initially used to describe hardcore bands who favored expressive vocals over the typical barking rants; the first true emo band was Rites of Spring, followed by ex-Minor Threat singer Ian MacKaye's short-lived Embrace. MacKaye's Dischord label became the center for D.C.'s growing emo scene, releasing work by Rites of Spring, Dag Nasty, Nation of Ulysses, and MacKaye's collaboration with members of Rites of Spring, Fugazi. Fugazi became the definitive early emo band, crossing over to alternative rock listeners and getting press for their uncompromisingly anti-commercial attitudes. Aside from the Dischord stable, most early emo was deeply underground, recorded by extremely short-lived bands and released on vinyl in small quantities by small labels; some vocalists literally wept onstage during song climaxes, earning derision from hardcore purists. Fugazi notwithstanding, emo didn't really break out of obscurity until the mid-'90s emergence of Sunny Day Real Estate, whose early work defined the style in the minds of many. Tempering Fugazi's gnarled guitar webs with Seattle grunge, straight-up prog-rock, and crooned vocals, SDRE launched a thousand imitators who connected with their dramatic melodies and introspective mysticism. Some of this new generation connected equally with the wry, geeky introspection and catchy punk-pop of Weezer's Pinkerton album. While several artists continued to build on Fugazi's innovations (including Quicksand and Drive Like Jehu), most '90s emo bands borrowed from some combination of Fugazi, Sunny Day Real Estate, and Weezer. Groups like the Promise Ring, the Get Up Kids, Braid, Texas Is the Reason, Jimmy Eat World, Joan of Arc, and Jets to Brazil earned substantial followings in the indie-rock world, making emo one of the more popular underground rock styles at the turn of the millennium."
I like Sunny Day Real Estate's album "The Rising Tide". I think a bunch of people here would enjoy it. It's not what I'd think of as emo at all. But whatever...
Emo? more like Poo-mo. huh? dontcha think? testify, brutha!
"... will NEVER be subjective..." is what i meant to say. my bad.
all i know is that the "emo" crowd are a bunch of snobs who believe "their music" is superior to all other types of music. there is as much conformity and concern for image and appearance as there ever was in 80's hair metal. these kids, they look at you like you have 3 eyes if you rock out and move around on stage... if you play a guitar solo or use a Cry Baby wah pedal. they roll their stupid jeans up past their ankles with their stupid little chuck taylors and skin-tight T-shirts... and think you're a glam band if your drummer plays more than a 2 piece kit. if you just wear regular clothes to a gig you're accused of tyring to keep "grunge" alive and if you call your music "rock and roll" you're mocked. fuck emo, and fuck the "emo kids." this music will not stand the test of time. and what consitutes good rock and roll will always never be subjective or relative: it's an absolute, period, end of story.
I hear that emos are characterized by the histrionics, the annoyingly pubescent quavering of their mating calls.
Sorry. I'm way too old to give a shit about things like this.
Such a caring bunch.
Emo is pretty played out, and so you'll likely see fewer and fewer musicians and fans "hiding" behind that label.
Having said that, people who like overtly emotive music do tend to congregate -- the same way a bunch of yahoos who like Slipknot are going to rally around their boys. Subcultures have a way of forming.
A better question might be: "What constitutes good rock music now?" Or "What current music will stand the test of time?"
Just as in the past, it's likely that the less time an artist spends kowtowing to current trends, the more likely his/her work will survive.
So, it's Damien Jurado, not Dave Matthews. And Idaho, not Maroon 5.
It's about time someone wrote an essay about emos. It's long overdue. It's nice to know there are still people who care about wildlife.
J.D., I think it is one of those large Australian birds that resemble an ostrich.
what's a "emo?"
I am writing an essay on how emo is a type of subculture and if anyone has any input i would really apreciate it just leave your name so i can qoute you thanks.
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