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RE: recording progress | from John DoeSep 28 2003 - 03:43

RE: recording progress | from KeithAug 14 2003 - 16:15

Grand eh? I'd mess my pants if I had a grand piano.

The track was short, but it's cover of a Boards of Canada song which was only about a minute to begin with.

RE: recording progress | from JeanAug 14 2003 - 15:58

Sounds real enough to me.

RE: recording progress | from Andrew KellierAug 14 2003 - 15:51

Interesting. I might have leaned toward digital too. I think all this talk of digital pianos has our ears doubting what they hear too much.

RE: recording progress | from JR OlssonAug 14 2003 - 14:37

hey you guys. thanks for your thoughts and ideas. i agree that the vocals might be too high on 'ashes'. i am not fully satisfied with them either. i am planning on re doing them. though i like the vocals high.

as most of you might have noticed it's not me singing on 'ohio'. though all the other songs.

it's actually not a digital piano. it's a grand piano i am playing on 'only to sooth me'. a big one. it has a very rich sound. i have added alot of reverb and also the (strange) compressor makes it sound a little bit different i think.

keith, that song you posted is fantastic. i love the sound. it sounds like a moviesoundtrack. i do think it is a little short as well. e-mail me i have some questions regarding your webspace.

RE: recording progress | from AlexAug 14 2003 - 13:32

Great songs JR! My nitpicks of "A Lie" are the vocals could be turned down and some reverb could be removed from them. I love how atmospheric "Ashes" is. Beautiful... "Only To Soothe Me" is wonderful. I love the drum programming and amazing atmosphere. The higher range of the piano sounds pretty convincing, but some of the lower range brings my guess to a digital piano. Very nice sound though. It's much better than any of my piano sounds, and basically the opposite. Only the lower range of mine sounds any good. Very aggravating... Keith, what a great surprise! Beautiful song, short but sweet. There's definitely a "To the Sea" Levitate sound in there. I would love to hear some vocals with it. Beautiful, fat Idaho-ish drum sound. My only nitpick is that the brush hits seem a bit obtrusive. The rest of the drum levels are great. A lighter touch on the hits would take care of it. I'd love to hear more of your music.

RE: recording progress | from KeithAug 13 2003 - 23:16

Drums on ashes are real nice, lovely room sound. Vocals may be a bit too high in the mix (nit pick nit pick). The B section has great chord changes, nice drive to it. There I think there is a prime example of where the bass is as responsible as the drums are. Basslines are sometimes the unsung heros of a great song.

I'm guessing digital piano.

Not to whore myself, but just as it relates to this dicussion: http://www.acre-c.com/helios/other/MJ.mp3

(Fostex vf80 4 track, 2 mics on the drums, all overdubbed one at a time.)

RE: recording progress | from AlexAug 13 2003 - 21:43

1) Vocals 2) Drums 3) Bass is usually the order of importance to me. If the vocals sound crappy i.e. some words fade in and out, I think it really ruins the professional sound of a song, no matter how professional the other elements of the music sound. Guitar and keyboard sounds tend to be much more subjective.

RE: recording progress | from Seth HowardAug 13 2003 - 16:39

It sounded quite good to me - at least on my little laptop speakers. Nicely done.

RE: recording progress | from JR OlssonAug 13 2003 - 15:36

hey ron! no , i am swedish. stockholm is my town!

i agree with you. but not fully. if it is music that is not driven by the drums, then it is not as important. if the drums is just filling up the background kind of. then their sound is not as important. though the bass is always important. i like bands like kyuss, fu manchu and old monster magnet so the ultimate bass sound for me can be found on old kyuss drummer brant bjork's first solo album 'jalamanta'. it's round and warm.

RE: recording progress | from ronAug 13 2003 - 15:15

i've always believed that the key to a good-sounding recording (besides good performances) is gettting the right drum sound. the drum tone and mix make or break any record (that has drums on it.) good bass tone is next in line. getting and recording good guitar tone is relatively simple, and, in my humble opinion, is about #3 on the list between drums, bass, and guitar. and i think it's the easiest thing dial in, too. almost any amp can get you good tone, but not every drum kit can get you good drum sounds. the more vintage the better!!!

RE: recording progress | from ronAug 13 2003 - 15:07

JR: are you from ohio?

RE: recording progress | from JR OlssonAug 13 2003 - 14:05

of course i would love to show you more. slightly different sound and style of music in these songs though (because they are my own). but you know i like it mellow.

this might be the only rocker. recorded live. 2003. http://www.angelfire.com/emo/thegrandopening/the_grand_opening_-_a_lie.mp3

http://www.angelfire.com/emo/thegrandopening/the_grand_opening_-_ashes.mp3 - is a studio recording. recorded live. same session as 'a lie'.

http://www.angelfire.com/emo/thegrandopening/tgo-onlytosoothme.mp3 - i know this is a shitty way to get you guys to download this song but because of the other thread about real pianos or not. well, is the piano in this song recorded with an acoustic one or a digital?

RE: recording progress | from RossAug 13 2003 - 10:57

The fact that you overdubbed the "band" and still come across sounding like you did, is amazing. It really does sound "live."

Dole out a bit more of your catalogue, I'd like to hear what else you're working on...

Take it easy.

RE: recording progress | from DeanAug 13 2003 - 01:17

You can probably download the required software from the Fostex website, then it's just a matter of plugging in and following instructions in your mixer manual.

RE: recording progress | from JR OlssonAug 12 2003 - 23:56

by the way once again. do any of you guys actually have any idea how to use the SCSI (if i hook up with some SCSIowning friend) to open up the songs in seperate files so i can do the mix in a comp?

RE: recording progress | from JR OlssonAug 12 2003 - 23:53

thanks alot for your time, interest and ideas. we still got the song on the fostex but you know it's pretty hard doing a mix in it. the compressor has a strange way of working, that's why the music gets a bit buried when the vocals come in. i think there is a way to transport the audiofile(s) into a computer. but the only way is to use the SCSI connection and i don't have one of those at my computer.

keith - that scream at the beginning of the song is cut out in another version of it. but i uploaded this one cuz i think it's funny. sorry i scared you mate.

alex - my friend leif is more of an EQ guy, i will have to talk to him about your opinions, cuz i don't know shit about it. and by the way, your cds arrived here yesterday. listened to the newest one quite a bit yesterday and i like it alot. the musicstyle is a bit unexplored to me (which is good of course).

RE: recording progress | from Andrew KellierAug 12 2003 - 22:56

Oh, and good job JR!

RE: recording progress | from Andrew KellierAug 12 2003 - 22:55

Is this that wetty wetwet jackass again???

RE: recording progress | from NostalgicAug 12 2003 - 21:13

I love it when musos tweak each other's knobs and gently tongue one another's little purple helmets.

RE: recording progress | from AlexAug 12 2003 - 20:55

Hey JR. Nice overall sound. Good tones and excellent mix. Nitpicking about the drums: The cymbals were at a good level. The snare (good sound btw) could be a bit louder. The kick sounds a bit buried, but all kicks sound that way on crappy normal computer speakers. But if it IS buried on good speakers, perhaps add a bit of peak EQ at 5 KHz w/ a Q of 1.4 to 2.8. This increases low frequency drum attack. Also, try the same at 7 KHz. This adds a bit more metallic attack. If you just need more fullness and thump, try adding a bit at 50 Hz w/ a Q of 1.4. Well, that's all I know. Great job!

RE: recording progress | from Jeff B. Aug 12 2003 - 20:29

pretty decent!

RE: recording progress | from KeithAug 12 2003 - 20:11

Pretty nice. If I were to be really picky, the drum sound was kind of flat (meaning the drums themselves, not the recording) but that kind of lends itself well to a CSNY cover. The kick kind of got buried once the vocals came in, and the overall drum level could have been louder. But then again I'm a drummer, what do I know?

I liked the vocals, he has a good voice, confident. Especially that yell in the beginning which scared me half to death.

RE: recording progress | from JR OlssonAug 12 2003 - 16:15

"my guitar friend played the rest of the instruments one at the time after that." is what i meant.

RE: recording progress | from JR OlssonAug 12 2003 - 16:14

thanks alot man, i was just thinking if everyone thought it sucked. i think it's great and i doubt i can be more satisfied with the sound. we were two ppl recording it. drums and guitar at the same time. my guitar friend played the rest of the instruments one at the time.

RE: recording progress | from RossAug 12 2003 - 13:38

That's amazing. The mix is very clear. Is that live off the floor?

| from JR OlssonAug 11 2003 - 00:47

as we were talking about how to mic an amp and drums earlier. and what microphones to use. this is one of one of the songs coming out of it. we recorded it on my portable recorder, 16 channels (fostex). 2 overhanging mics, then one for the kick drum and one for snare.

it's a crosby, stills, nash and young cover i think. but mr. neil wrote it. we're playing it alot faster than the original. i am pretty satisfied with the sound. drums were played by me and my friend leif did the rest.

here's the link - http://www.angelfire.com/emo/thegrandopening/ohio.mp3

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