RE: this war is a farce | from _Apr 10 2003 - 12:26
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Dittos Rush. boohoo waaaaaaahhhh!!!!
Dear Sir: Your libelous comments about my relationship to Mr. Boohoowaaaaaahhhh were just brought to my attention. While I ponder legal action I just want to go on record as saying my relations with little Boo-ie are mostly platonic.
boohoo waaaaaaahhhh! is the sound this person makes "catching" for Rush Limbaugh.
I have never seen such a propaganda
from US media as far as I remember.
How to explain that journalists are being fired just because they express a different view ? how to explain that
people in the streets claiming anti-war prostests are shut down by the police
using wooden balls ?
just: WHERE IS THE OPPOSITION IN THE US ? Where are the critics to the administration ?
What a fucking waste of space
I'll second Mr. (or Ms?) Amaru's question. What does boohoo waaaahhh mean? If, as I think, it's a 'crybaby' comment, it would help if Mr. (or Ms.) '-' elaborated a little, so other insignificant Trolls 'R Us could respond.
hiya, everybuddy, i feel kinda bad caus i'm unnedurgated, but cen you tell me pleese what 'boohoo waaaaahhh' meens? is this lik a babe sound? ok, i get that, but what then does it meen whan u say it?
If the majority of US citizens are uneducated, what does that make the rest of the world?
i'm sorry, i'm an insignificant troll
The majority of the US consists of uneducated, materialistic, superficial, arrogant morons. So there you go.
Sorry, you won't see Dubya at the War Crimes Tribunal because the U.S. , same as with the Kyoto Accord, decided not to sign on. Nevertheless, he seems to think it's ok to try Sadam Hussein. Not that Hussein isn't a very, very bad man, but Bush's approach, on this as on just about everything, seems kinda selective to me. As in, for example, calling for the Geneva Convention as the justification for charging Iraqis with war crimes, while ignoring the illegal detention of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay - rationalizing that away by saying the latter aren't prisoners of war (oh, c'mon, now). Some might call that approach lying, or telling half-truths. My own favourite,polite new word to describe the approach taken by the White House & the Pentagon vis a vis information is 'disingenuous'.
I want to see Dubya on trial at the Hague. What a world-class ass-hole.
I'm from belgium and I am a bit afraid of what american people think about this war (in majority). I worry a little bit about the capacity of US citizen to make critics to their own government! Is-there fear ? beacuse obviously it is an Oil war. Obviously Bush administration doesn't give a shit of iraqi people: they don't care !
Do you really think that this "so called fair" war worths making nearly everyone on earth hate you so deeply that some burn themselves alive to protest ? (cf these 4 students in Prague)
Kofi Anan said this war is a catastrophe, so does the pope, 80% of europeans, asians and muslim people... but It does not seem to be enough to create a doubt in your mind ! I don't understand... anyway as i like america for a lot of reasons, i sincerely wish you'll get over this without too much damage... Just do me the favor to put Bush, RUmsfeld and buddies somewhere on the dark face of the moon at the next election !
ps: apologize my approximative english
Change the things you can, dont worry about the things you cant.
It is useless trying to reason with humans. They are paranoid and see aggression everywhere. They don't tell the truth. They shoot at me, a mere primate, with their sophisticated weaponry. This post is really from me. By the time you read this, however, I will be dead. So any future posts, allegedly from me, will probably be false. Cry for me, America!
Mmmm, good stuff.
I think you (most of you anyway) are intelligent enough to know which posts are mine, and which are imposters. Any further messages you see from me will not actually be from me because it is useless to try to reason with the real JoeBlow.
I think you (most of you anyway) are intelligent enough to know which posts are mine, and which are imposters. Any further messages you see from me will not actually be from me because it is useless to try to reason with apes.
to listen to president shrub you'd think this war is a humanitarian effort...
you tell me, i'm just too confused to know
So as far was I am aware is that Iraq is selling oil to France and Russia. So hence there opposition to war. Becuase if US gains control of these oil fields and the enormous reserve that is untapped (which US oil compaines actually went to Iraq before the evasion to scope it out),then France and Russia would lose out on the good deal they are getting now with Saddam. Becuase the US would charge them a whole lot more. But only time will tell this scenario.
Good call up there Jimmy.
what's the frequency, kenneth?
I like hair pie and pasta!!!! Fugettaboutit....
Is joeblow argueing/ranting with himself now??
1. If the police were trying to defend you, 9/11 would not have hapened.
2. If it doesn't bother you, then shut up about it.
3.'Timing' and 'In time' are two completely different things.
4. Depending upon which poll you believe, the american people are against the war.
5. Remembering isn't hiding, it's improving your odds on a future gamble.
6. Your respect means nothing except to yourself.
7. Using a stupid argument to defend yourself, does not say much for the validity of your own argument.
8. Irony and sarcasm are only absurd when it disproves your point, or so it seems.
9. Which iraqi voice, and where can i hear it?
you know, i think i really like vanilla.
Maybe the protesters shouldn't occupy our police forces who would otherwise be trying to defend us. So I insulted you and others whose opinions differ, did I? And what were the first two posts if not insulting to me? And your suggestion of a history lesson, was that not supposed to be insulting my intelligence? The fact is, I agree with you that Hussein should have been dealt with years ago. But again, we can't go back in time. And what is it about the timing that you don't like? That's a very general comment that I've heard from others, but no one has really specified why the timing is wrong. If you voted against Bush and you don't like what's going on, you have every right to grumble. You do NOT, however, have the right to spread lies such as "The American people are against this war". Now ck, you yourself did not say the above quote to my knowledge, I'm merely using it to demonstrate a common lie that is used regularly by anti-war protesters. History has shaped the present, and given that the present is a very troubling time, it's obvious that the past was full of mistakes and wrongdoing. But we can't hide in the history books, we still have to live today for today and tomorrow. I fully realize that two people can look at the same situation, the same problem, and come to different conclusions on it. And the fact that both conclusions are allowed is perhaps the best part about this country. An opposing opinion, however, has to earn my respect. If it has good points, even if I disagree with it, I will respect it. Are you telling me to respect someone whose opinion is that the United States is equal to Nazi Germany? I'm afraid I can't accomodate you there. If you will just explain point by point, in detail, the reasons why you oppose this (without making "inflammatory statements"), then maybe your opinion will earn my respect. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I know this is a hot button issue for all of us. (And I don't think we need to fall into the realm of absurdity, JB). I don't respect the opinion one bit of one of the recent fellows to post here (I'm not going to bother looking up to find the name), who was going off basically about how Iraqis will enjoy the freedom of being blown to pieces or facing health problems due to bomb fragments, what have you. I think you should listen to the Iraqi people and see what they want. Their voice is far more important in this than yours. And to be honest with you, they've had that "freedom" of being gased and tortured for many years.
Yes, Heffe, I'd like to give the whole administration a "hotshot".
good call jimmy.
Maybe if the US spent trillions (or even just billions) of dollars on humanitarian efforts both at home and abroad instead of on war & weapons & ‘defense’ there would be no need for ‘homeland security’ and ‘orange security alerts’ and invasions in far-off lands. Just think of how the rest of the world would view the US after 50 years of feeding, housing & educating the worlds poorest people instead of 50 years of arming their governments and their enemies governments, or invading their countries and setting up puppet regimes or exploiting their resources. Heck, the US could spend most of the money on itself and just a few billion $$ on humanitarian efforts abroad and still become the friend of the world. Instead America has made a lot of enemies abroad, the U.S. military budget has climbed to $360 billion per year and Bush & his gang want how many billion for this Iraqi invasion!?
The same article I read that talked about the fraudman (whom I mentioned) taking over oil in Iraq, suggested that in the very near future the French would be the big losers and the big winners would be Royal Shell (Dutch) and a U.S. company...can't rember which one....
I gather the U.S., with about 6% of the world's population, uses about 50 % of the world's oil. In a global market economy, demanding growth for survival, and with Saudi Arabia's oil supply in doubt for political reasons, it seems to me that there's a pretty strong case for the 'oil whore' argument...I mean, after you discount the invisible Weapons of Mass Destruction/Emperor's New Clothes rationale, and the 'Freedom' card (Freedom never having much concerned the U.S. in Iraq 10 years ago or even today in the other Middle Eastern and Gulf nations it calls allies. Excuse my cynicism.
Perhaps I am wrong, but my understanding is that most of the Iraqi oil contracts are already tied up by the French. More than any other Western country, they stand to gain the most financially from this war (but they also stand to lose the most if things go really wrong). On top of that, more Iraqi oil on the market simply drives down the price of oil, which isn't exactly what oil companies want.
Granted, a large-scale democratization of the Middle East would have long-term benefits for American oil conglomerates (by weakening OPEC). Somehow, I just don't see that happening though.
I understand where the sentiment that we are attacking Iraq for oil comes from, but I just wanted to point out that the situation is more complicated than it may seem.
Actually, I read that the smart money for who is going to run the oil biz in Iraq, post-pulverization, is an expat. Iraqi who has lived in the States for the past twenty years and is a golf buddy of Cheyney's. Having now completed, Statside, a criminal sentence for fraud, he's currently free to accept this challenging job opportunity.
And stepping squarely into the fray, might I recommend that you gung-ho, 'let's invade 'em all' fellows should maybe get out of the States more often and see the world, though preferably not in uniform.
he does it all for the nookie and for the oil
Let's not forget Mrs. Rice, who used to be a big wig for Chevron. Who scoped out Afghanistan before we invaded there. Not to say there were not Al queda groups there, but I am sure the oil was a big pull.
what a troll i am. i can swear too.
MTV - Yay!!!! it's better than that shit they play on that state sponsored tv they got over there. Plus three ears are better than two especially when listening to music. Bombs away!!!!
I can't wait to be free in my new radioactive country!!!! Thanks to those missiles loaded with all that great armour piercing plutonium!!!!!!!!!YAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!! My Babies got three ears!!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! I can't wait to be free!!!!!!!! I want my MTV!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah fake HEfFe:
You can thank your buddy Clinton for that one - you jackass.
I was hoping that Castro would die from natural causes but whatever does the trick.
i take what i just said back. i have just seen how many UN resolutions that the US government has ignored.
i'll drop dead when the CIA show more intelligence than to try and kill me with exploding cigars...
How come no one is mentioning 12 years of UN resolutions that were unanimously agreed upon by all member nations calling for Iraq to identify and destroy all weapons of mass destructions or face miltary force. Should we wait another 12 years to see what we can find - a missle here, some unmaned drones with chemical dispersing capabilities there - all violations of the 20 or so UN resolutions passed since 1991.
I am not willing to wait and see if any city that enjoys freedom in the world burn countless people die from something supplied by Iraq directly or indirectly. And it is all about will isn't it??? Who is willing to back something that they agreed on.
Apparently not as many nations that the U.S. would like are willing but who cares. There will be egg on there face soon enough.
The Iraqi people will soon be the first to enjoy the core basic yearning of all humanity - to be free. Hopefully Iran is second, Korea is 3rd and Saudi Arabia 4th. God damn it!!! When is Castro going to drop dead?!?!?
Joeblow, I don't teach history, I just pay attention to it in all its distorted manifestations as well as its more rational ones.
What should we do about Hussein? The question is why didn't we do something years ago? There probably isn't anything we could have done differently because of how we dealt with him in the past. That doesn't mean I can't question the timing of the current attack.
The way to get rid of Hussein is to send special forces operatives into Iraq to take out the Republican guard and slit the bastard's throat. I'm not a pacifict; I just don't like to see innocent people lose their lives. Maybe that's an unrealistic plan, but it beats "shock and awe" bombing raids that kill women and children.
The premise of your earlier post that you hadn't "once seen an opinion by a protester or would-be protester that actually made sense" is what prompted my response to you.
I oppose the war, not because I don't think Hussein is a tyrant, but because I think the administration is being opportunisitic and its actions will result in more 9/11 style terrorism not less.
By the way, VP Cheney's former company is on the short list of those who are bidding to go in to Iraq and clean up after the war. They should be good at it, they were in Kuwait after the Gulf War. Cheney made millions then, one of his cronies will do the same now.
I think it's interesting that your reaction to my post was so sarcastic, since all I did was try to counter your premise that no one opposed to the war is able to posit an articulate opinion about it.
I hope you can at least understand how inflammatory your remarks are, and how many intelligent people who love their country but disagree with this war you insulted.
Okay, back to the porn.
Look, I don't care what you say. I know what's right. You don't answer my questions because the only answer I am after, is my own. I am not interested in history because I do not think that it can teach me any lessons. I want to make my own mistakes, just to prove how right I am.
shit, i'm doing it again. i'm sorry.
Maybe you can shoot up Cheney and Rumsfeld with some H to calm their pro war sentiments down a bit? That's sooo CooooL.
and very UNPOLITICALLY CORRECT!!!
You know what? Us army still have not found weapons of mass destruction in Irak. It was the first reason to attack as they said (after oil, of course).
What is the prime, bottom line reason for this war? ( lets ignore the economic and imperialist ones )
To make the world a safer place? To eradicate terrorism??
Anyone think going to war in Iraq is going to acheive this??
It's all fuel on the fire of fundamentalism.
So mr. BLOW...let me get this straight...You have an undeniable desire to give Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld lap dances? That's sooo CooooL.
and very PATRIOTIC !!!
So the British restructured these countries, as you say, and left warring factions in the same nation. They did the same thing in Africa too. I understand that that caused a lot of problems but is Hussein excused because of it? Is Blair to blame for it? You say I need a lesson in history. I beg to differ. I know enough history. And I know the difference between right and wrong. And I'm not here to defend the actions of people who took those actions before I was born. I'm talking about the current situation. I think you need a lesson in humanity. Before you reply now by saying that I need a lesson in not being an asshole, let me just say that your knowledge of history seems very selective. You know a lot about the wrongs of the "west" in the past. And I call the region that you eurocentrically call the "Middle East", southwest Asia, which is the correct geographic name for the region (I know, how petty is it to quibble over such a trifle? Very petty. Just forget I mentioned it). This thread is about the war in Iraq. If you want to start a separate thread on the history of the region, go right ahead. See how many legitimate responses it gets. You don't think Hussein should be in power you said. Okay, now what? What should be done if the war is such a terrible course of action? Bush Sr. blew it by not taking care of Hussein in 1991. But since we don't have a time machine (Or do we, you seem to know more than me) what should be done? Where's the answer, ck? Enlighten us all with your problem solving abilities.
ck, I'm still waiting for a coherent argument on what should be done with Hussein now...didn't you read that part?
Soooooo....because bitter enemies are bound together in the same nation, that gives Hussein the right to murder them? Don't lecture me on the history of southwest Asia, please. We aren't living in the days before Christ, so let's stay in the present, shall we? Am I to blame for centuries-old problems? for things previous administrations did? I wasn't even voting back then. I'm sure past administrations made mistakes but you know what? They're done. This is now. I want to hear you talk about NOW. Although I do have some friends that might be interested in attending your history course. At which institution do you teach and what section numbers?
I'd like to respond to joeblow's comments: First of all, Hussein's rise to power was abetted by the Reagan administration when it was well known by that administration that Hussein was a tyrant. He was also a convenient ally at the time, since we were dealing with Iran. The Iranian situation was of course precipitated by our support of the Shah, a tyrant if there ever was one.
The reason we know of Hussein's "weapons of mass destruction" is because we supplied him with all the components to create them.
The 9/11 terrorists were mostly from Yemen.
Bin Laden hates Hussein and is in no way in cahoots with him.
So why attack Iraq? It's a war we can win, Hussein is a convenient villain, and Bush's approval rating was dropping due to his miserable economic policies.
Do I think Hussein should be in power? No. Could we have prevented it or at least deposed him a long time ago and without the loss of innocent American and Iraqi lives? Certainly.
So before you talk about anyone's faulty logic, you might want to familiarize yourself with the region's history you purport to know so much about--a history that includes the restructuring of countries by the British after WWII that helped create the mess that is the Iraqi state, which binds bitter enemies together under one flag.
I don't mind hearing points of view that differ from my own, but I at least hope they'll be informed.
And I'll be glad to debate any points you want to make, going back to the 4th century B.C. when Alexander the Great invaded Persia and began the on-going conflict between Western and Eastern civilization.
my movies suck ass.
Three cheers for HefFe and Joeblow!!!!!
God bless you Joe. You speak the truth. Protestors, join Habitat for Humanity and do something good with your time like building houses for those in need. You'll be doing something constructive plus you'll be learning a job skill.
a bit more, if you'll bear with me...
We don't want the rest of the world to be a carbon copy of the u.s.a. Everyone has different beliefs and customs but NO ONE wants to live under a tyrant. Obviously Saddam is one of many tyrants in the world today, and we cannot forcibly remove them all. I think peaceful ways of promoting freedom and democracy are the best answer. This case is a bit different. The peaceful means have been tried and tried and tried....and then tried some more. Hussein is in violation of international law in more than one area.
I have not once seen an opinion by a protester or would-be protester that actually made sense. Instead, it's all insults and ludicrous statements. Nothing positive or productive, no suggestions of what to do with Hussein. No, it's all insults, curses, and nonsensical statements. I would debate this issue point by point with someone but the thing is....they have no point. They offer nothing of value whatsoever in their "arguments". Just offensive, insulting, and utterly ridiculous negative comments. Normally I would be a lot more nice about respecting other people's opinions, but I've seen nothing worthy of respect from anyone protesting the war. When they actually do something positive and make a coherent argument instead of the lies flowing from their mouths like the mighty Nile, let me know.
there are a lot of iraqi-americans in my area that are signing up to go over there and fight for the freedom of their country. the people being liberated right now are all happy that saddam is going.....and yet the protesters equate the u.s. with nazi germany.....there is no limit to the ignorance of some of these protesters. if they were living under saddam, they would have no right to protest anything, and yet here they are saying that america is the epitome of evil and equating our country with nazi germany. go figure. (a protester in new york had a sign that said 'u.s.a. 2003 = germany 1939'. that is sick and it offends me deeply. maybe the person holding that sign should've been living in iraq for the past 30 years or so. that might have a way of changing their perspective just a bit. and if anyone denies the ignorance behind that sign, i'm afraid there is no hope of logic, reason, or common sense ever paying them so much as a visit.
i'm a troll, what can i say!
i really am very, very sorry. i did not mean any of that.
please forgive me...
I am a robot. I do my masters bidding. Yo craig, go fall off the golden gate with the rest of your comrades. Please pray for the big drink and it will come.
Fuck all the professional protestors and amateurs holding up traffic and preventing good honest, hard working folk from getting home to their families. In case you haven't noticed, the war started already. Now go, be productive and get a job @ Target. I hear that they are hiring. Clean up in Aisle 12 you mutherfuckers!!!
spotting the bad guys is easy,
state sponsored murder
ignoring international law
contempt for the UN
imprisonment without trial
here are just four pointers, now you pick a regime.
Hermann Goering was more specific: "Why, of course, the people don't want war," he told G.M. Gilbert at the Nuremberg war-crimes tribunal. "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders . . . All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
The bad guys, if youre capable of figuring out exactly who that is...
blow whom to "shreds"?
Blow em to shreds!!!
agreed....us IDAHO fans can spout off about whatever we please...I personally enjoy reading what you guys think about stuff--whatever the topic, so I agree...skip the threads that don't interest you chris
Well said Dean.
Chris: thios site is for people to talk about whatever is on their mind. Skip the strings if you don't like em.
Can we leave this site a non-political one, please? Talk about Idaho, not your opinions on the war. There are plenty of vehicles for you to do that.
I love how the media has now been programmed to call this war " Operation Iraqi Freedom" or whatever the hell they called it...it's such a fuckin joke. So far it seems like I could have gone over there with a few friends and beaten Saddam up with our bare hands...I mean, it took fucking years to get this done???? Let's just hope no more Americans have to die to get us even richer than we already are.
STFU you pinko communist bastards!!! Where were you and your voices when Hussein was putting dissidents through shredders???? God Bless the USA and Idaho!
If you've got a strong stomach (and a fast internet connection) watch this:
"all that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" - British statesman Edmund Burke (misquoted)
What he actually said was: “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.”
You get the picture. America (& Britain) it's up to you; is your government acting on your behalf? If not what are you going to do about it? Many innocent lives are at stake.
Gotta love the media. "It's impractical to criticize the government at this point". Reporting obviously biased accounts of protests across the country and the globe. Colouring their supposedly "objective" reporting with blatantly jingoist rhetoric. A brave new world indeed...
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