Idaho music Message boardAnd just for the record, this was done out of complete respect and fealty to Idaho, who are amazing, but with a palliative gesture towards fans of PJ who like a good piece of writing once in a while. I will never do this again, so please excuse me just this once.
Friends of mine sent along this review of LABHallOCT222003 from this Montreal mag, Maisonneuve.
Pass it on ...
http://www.maisonneuve.org/blog/index.php?itemid=472
love, Alex lost and PJ-less in NYC
OK... so I would jump at the chance. it's nearly impossible to do what we all really want to do with our music if our music is really a part-time job. and i guess, when i think about it, i'm not saying i would even want to be super huge like PJ have become. i would just like ability to have music be my only source of income... an income of more than i'm making at the moment as a social worker... which ain't a whole lot! and that's the thing: there just doesn't seem to be any middle ground anymore. you're either huge or you're unknown. take even jeff and IDAHO's situation. from what i've gathered about The Days, jeff's existence is not solely making recording and touring with IDAHO. mark kozelek's the same way. he had to go make some movies in LA and do a record of AC/DC covers to get by. and the last time i checked, PJ tix purchased through the Ten Club were at absolute minimums. in fact, i saw a show for the Riot Act tour for $28.00. that's pretty damn cheap for 3 1/2 hours of PJ live. compare that to Aerosmith or even the Chili Peppers.
does anybody have any oats? my high horse is starving...
i'm sure Pearl Jam's hearts are in the right place. and i don't automatically write a band off for being on a major label and "playing the game." i just felt it was a bit of a slap in the face when Pearl Jam seemed to try to align themselves with bands who put out their art through channels that don't compromise their own personal ethics. I found it ironic that Eddie Vedder was on MTV unplugged writing "Fugazi" on his arm with a magic maker. Fugazi used ticketmaster for their shows, but got around gouging its fans by charging five bucks for their tickets.
try to erase THAT from the blackboard. hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo!
okay that was dumb. sorry
None of us want to be corporate whores but to get a chance to make the music I really want to and get it widely heard, I think maybe my principles would slide a little.
Music wise it's maybe subjective but I think the way they have run their career has been pretty admirable. I can't see how you could knock them compared to most major bands?
No personal attack intended. I like that people are actually talking on this board again.
Point taken, Donnie. I just think it boils down to personal opinion, and I like the debate as long as it doesn't degenerate into personal attacks. And Ron, your last statement about "every single one of us would jump at the chance to do what they've gotten to do" is the type of remark that irritates me. Change "every single one of us" to "I" and I may disagree with your attitude, but I won't be as inclined to get my hackles up.
..Hmmm: Sorry V: that did sound a bit crass but I hate those sweeping statements that seem to be made through passion rather than logic. I do think PJ are rather a unique band and have made alot of possible career damaging decisions to stand up for what they believe in. I love Radiohead but find it hard to swallow their anti consumer/capitalist/corporate message with the way they run their business...
donnie is right, though. LOTS of people heard of pearl jam before the jeremy video. don't forget that pearl jam was one of about 6 or 7 amazing bands from seattle. they just happened to make it big. a friend of mine who was a huge fan of Tad, Soundgarden, and Mudhoney turned me on to pearl jam. the thing is about them, they're best records came after Vitalogy (the 3rd album.) the reason they probably stayed on a major labels is b/c they signed a contract. that contract, however, has ended with the release or Riot Act. so, as far as i know, as of their next album, they are without a label. does that make them cooler???? are they somehow more "indie" now? every single one of us would jump at the chance to do what they've gotten to do.
"Get off your high horse and THINK please." Translation: Agree with everything I say; hold no opinion of your own and bow to my greater intellect. Give me a break.
They are patchy but have written some fantastic songs since rather dodgy bombastic beginings.
Re supposed U-turn in corporate involvement. Can not everyone grow up and have their eyes opened? I don't think denouncing sponshorship and going to war with ticketing agencies is a career move for a huge ban. Get off your high horse and THINK please.
I never got it.
they use to be one of my fav bands. i still like them but i seldom listen to them. i think 'no code' is their best record.
Amen.
here's my beef with Pearl Jam. they had no problem using corporate media outlets in the beginning: major labels, ticketmaster, mtv, etc. Then once they had gotten huge success they tried to fashion themslves into some sort of independent champions: fighting ticketmaster, refusing to make videos-like all the sudden they were fucking Fugazi or something. boo! nice sentiment, but it's too late. plus they are partly responsible for all the shitty warmed over jock metal that rules the airwaves right now. sorry, but that's their legacy.
on a positive note, everybody should check out an e.p. by Systems Officer. it's Zach from Pinback's side band. super good.
uh...yes. actually they did. you couldn't get away from the Jeremy video, etc in '92. i hate to be the one to tell you this, but Pearl Jam posts on this board will most likely be met with a certain amount of indifference. i'm sure they're all great guys, and they've done a lot to try to promote less well-known bands (taking AMC on tour with them, for example), but you're wasting your time promoting a band that's just not very interesting (in my opinion).
uh... no. actually they didn't.
seriously, didn't MTV turn the world onto Pearl Jam like twelve years ago.
ok.. so there's a new pearl jam record out. but what this new and good thing you speak of?
the cool thing about this group is that we're all into good music. i was just lettin' ya know there's something new and good out there now.
I'm guessing not, after checking out the lyrics for the pearl jam song.
Nope.
Track Listings
Disc: 1
1. Ofthegirl
2. Low Light
3. Thumbing My Way
4. Thin Air
5. Fatal
6. Nothing As It Seems
7. Man Of The Hour
8. Immortality
9. Off He Goes
10. Around The Bend
11. I Believe In Miracles
12. Sleight Of Hand
13. All Or None
14. Lukin
Disc: 2
1. Parting Ways
2. Down
3. Can't Keep
4. Dead Man
5. Masters Of War
6. Black
7. Crazy Mary
8. 25 Minutes To Go
9. Daughter
10. Yellow Ledbetter
Parting Ways?
Do they seriously cover an Idaho song, or were you joking?
right now i'm listening to pearl jam's new live CD "Live At Benaroya Hall." freaking amazing. i think they cover an IDAHO song... just to keep it relevant.
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