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RE: the sorry state of music | from AndrewJan 24 2004 - 22:54

Amazing.

RE: the sorry state of music | from hogJan 24 2004 - 20:01

That's right; it's all been said and done. So why bother, huh? Just get yourself down on the floor in a crucifix pose like Rothko and slice those arteries. Remember Rothko's tip though - wrap the razor with some tissue so you don't cut your fingers while you savage your wrists.
Good thing guitar music's still vital, original and pumping with blood. Else we'd have to resort to singing about whores, guns, pimps and dough, and stealing and warping riffs and lyrics and sounds, just like the niggers. Hey, life as an indie fan is...so...fulfilling!

RE: the sorry state of music | from jeremyJan 24 2004 - 11:11

actually, i enjoyed reading (the real) mr. codreanu. variety is the spice, isn't it? no need to make a virtue out of being low brow, folks. anyway, back to black, white & grey: although i really don't like rap/hip-hop, i did get the latest Outcast double for the kid for Christmas (as a feeble attempt at broadening his taste (currently whatever crap is fed to him by the commercial beast) ...what a probably pointless exercise on my part). Partly got it for myself, too, to be honest, to broaden my own. And I agree with ed's post a few back - I think the spoken nature of rap and the heavy reliance on syncopation can only go so far before running its course, and has therefore led to more and more sampling of 'classic' rock (proven winners, right?). Funny thing is that the kids don't know and likely don't care the classic stuff isn't new, any more than a previous generation didn't know that Summertime had been sung before Janis Joplin, etc. etc.

RE: the sorry state of music | from everyone Jan 23 2004 - 15:03

you'll be missed, Codreanu.




Signed,


No one.

RE: the sorry state of music | from The real CodreanuJan 23 2004 - 14:32

As I now have a doppelganger on this board, I give him leave to carry on in my stead. This will be my last post. *wild applause* God knows I have flagrent identity-issues as it is.

RE: the sorry state of music | from AndrewJan 23 2004 - 13:35

You've got to be kidding

RE: the sorry state of music | from CodreanuJan 23 2004 - 13:19

I like that song.
My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
And they're like, it's better than yours
Damn right it's better than yours
I could teach you
But I have to charge

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
And they're like, it's better than yours
Damn right it's better than yours
I could teach you
But I have to charge

I know you want it
The thing that makes me
What the guys go crazy for
They lose their minds
The way I whine
I think it's time

La,La,La,La,La
Warm it up
La,La,La,La,La
The boys are waiting
La,la,La,La,La
Warm it up
La,La,La,La,La
The boys are waiting

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
And they're like, it's better than yours
Damn right it's better than yours
I could teach you but I have to charge

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
And they're like, it's better than yours
Damn right it's better than yours
I could teach you but I have to charge

I see you're on it
You want me to teach thee
Techniques that freaks these boys
It can't be bought
Just know things get caught
Watch if you're smart

La,La,La,La,La
Warm it up
La,La,La,La,La
The boys are waiting
La,La,La,La,La,
Warm it up
La,La,La,La,La
The boys are waiting

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
And they're like, it's better than yours
Damn right it's better than yours
I could teach you but I have to charge

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
And they're like, it's better than yours
Damn right it's better than yours
I could teach you but I have to charge

Oh, once you get involved
Everyone will look this way, so
You must maintain your charm
same time maintain your halo
Just get the perfect blend
Plus what you have within
Then next his eys are squint
Then he's picked up your scent

La,La,La,La,La
Warm it up
La,La,La,La,La
The boys are waiting
La,La,La,La,La
Warm it up
La,La,La,La,La
The boys are waiting

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
And they're like, it's better than yours
Damn right it's better than yours
I could teach you but I have to charge

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
And they're like, it's better than yours
Damn right it's better than yours
I could teach you but I have to charge

RE: the sorry state of music | from Alex NiedtJan 23 2004 - 12:59

If you've heard it, what do you guys think of the "Milkshake" song? I think it's hilarious in that it could quite possibly be THE worst song ever written, yet it's number one all over the place. Absolutely no talent present whatever.

RE: the sorry state of music | from KeithJan 23 2004 - 12:45

Actually there's quite a few people doing some different things in hip hop. You just won't see it on MTV. People like Aesop Rock, Sage Francis, Clouddead, Dose One, Buck 65, Cannibal Ox, almost everyone else on Def Jux, Common, Anticon... It's still out there, but yeah, the stuff they pump through mainstream TV and radio stations is pure trash, with the exception of Outkast.

RE: the sorry state of music | from Alex NiedtJan 23 2004 - 10:27

Outkast are the only group in hip-hop right now who are trying to do something different. Other than that, it just gets more and more moronic.

RE: the sorry state of music | from edJan 23 2004 - 08:45

Getting back to the dubbing of The White Album. I just think that rap has become so repetitive that "artists" are running out of material to "borrow". Due to the lack of creativity and I will find it a real shame if JayZ lays in his moronic lyrics which more than likely he will. Know I am going to throw on some Curtis Mayfield.

RE: the sorry state of music | from DeanJan 23 2004 - 00:57

Jeez Jeff: hurry up with that new record man: see what happens to idle minds???

RE: the sorry state of music | from HogJan 22 2004 - 21:07

God given hog by name, hog by nature. Ain't had no other.

RE: the sorry state of music | from Alex NiedtJan 22 2004 - 20:57

So I take it "Hog" is your real name?

RE: the sorry state of music | from hogJan 22 2004 - 19:29

Ya know what I love? I love the way that a few people on here lack the courage to post burns under their regular names. What's with that? Afraid that your comments will have you cast out? Or just dent your cred? Fuck, if you're gonna write something dumb or aggressive at least have the fucking balls to use your regular name. Otherwise this whole board's a sham.
What the hell you hiding for? You're tucked up at home, so it's not as if anyone can pitch your whiskey on the deck and cut your throat with the shot glass.
Yeah, lurch, that means you too.
Snivelling little coward.
A keyboard and a screen's not enough for you is it?

RE: the sorry state of music | from correctionJan 22 2004 - 12:46

assume makes an ass out of u AND me.

RE: the sorry state of music | from lurch againJan 22 2004 - 06:46

and if you want to feel "comfortable" here, then don't instigate arguments about racism where there was none intended. it's pretty simple.

RE: the sorry state of music | from lurchJan 22 2004 - 06:43

G.N. - you say you're not going to tolerate it on this board? since when did you become the fucking moderator around here? sheesh... C and Keith are right. get off your fuckin high horse, man.

RE: the sorry state of music | from Mister LanguageJan 22 2004 - 05:40

Assume makes an ass out of u not me.

RE: the sorry state of music | from cJan 22 2004 - 05:38

oh "g.n."... i agree with you that ignorant attitudes do not help to squash racism. but can you explain to me how misinterpreting someone's harmless comments (i.e. keith's) as racist, and calling him a jerk without even giving him the opportunity to explain what he meant, is going to help matters? whatever it was keith meant by his comments, is it not ignorant to automatically ASSUME his comment was a racial slur, and insulting him as result?

ahhh, never mind... it's so stupid i don't know why i'm wasting my time with it.

RE: the sorry state of music | from AndrewJan 21 2004 - 20:16

Keith: "Voting for new Idaho material in 2004" makes it sound like you're unaware that it's already planned to come out. I'm gonna go with g.n. and call you a jerk, but just because of your attitude.

RE: the sorry state of music | from ronJan 21 2004 - 16:40

i gotta chime in on this one. i would have sooner but some kind of weird porn virus has infected my stupid little Bill Gates box. thank God my PowerBook is on its way. ANYWAYS, let's not forget that John Lennon married Yoko Ono. what does that say about his decision making skills? who the hell knows if he would have liked Jay-Z rapping over his music.
do i think keith is a racist? i don't know. i don't know keith. all i know is that if i had to pick a rapper to rap over beatles' tunes it would not be Jay-Z.
i think IDAHO's next record should have a rap song or two on it. that way we can all vote for jeff martin to be the rapper who could rap over beatles' tunes.

RE: the sorry state of music | from CodreanuJan 21 2004 - 15:47

Wondering how Jay-Z plans to utilize Revolution #9? For those of you not familiar #9 is an 8+ minute aural collage featuring sound effects culled from the EMI vaults peppered with the boys' muttered asides. The piece is quite compelling and eminently listenable (unlike Lennons experimental albums of "unfinished music"). I am certain that the combination of gunshots, rioting, combustion, and police sirens, which so enrapture those of his ilk, would prove irresistable to his endeavor.

I have to agree that this project would recieve the blessings of John (Yoko permitting) who doubtless would find todays street-thuggery endearing. I can easily imagine him among the vanguard of efforts to 'free Mumia':(

RE: the sorry state of music | from KeithJan 21 2004 - 15:30

(derr) Think I would have checked that.

RE: the sorry state of music | from AndrewJan 21 2004 - 12:45

It'll be here. Checked the news?

RE: the sorry state of music | from KeithJan 21 2004 - 12:29

oh my god, drop it!

And I agree, the Beatles, like them or not, were very very skillfull songwriters. Granted at the same time you have Coltrane and company going off, and Morton Feldman and Cage doing wild things in terms of composition etc... But in the area of popular songwriting, they threw some wild stuff into the mix. I mean, going from the world of Paul Anka, to using these really complex (yet ear friendly) harmonies, chords and forms. And like them or not, people are still trying to imitate them, and that says something. Not to mention Paul's amazing basslines. With the exception of maybe James Jamerson, up till then the electric bass had been very much in the background.

And yes, I vote for new Idaho material in 2004.


RE: the sorry state of music | from ckJan 21 2004 - 11:52

I'm not a huge Beatles fan by any means, but saying they had "some songwriting skills, keen business minds and a lot of luck" seems not just hyperbolic but wrong. Lennon and McCartney were arguably the best pop songwriting combination ever, but even if you could make a case for some other duo, they certainly rank in the top two or three. And Apple records, which should have been a great success, was a miserable failure because the Beatles had such terrible business minds. McCartney certainly learned from the band's mistakes, but if he were truly a great businessman, he'd own the rights to his own songs at the very least. And lucky? Luck gets you in the door, perhaps, but it doesn't write and record the songs. Sorry for the diatribe, but that statement was just too dismissive to ignore.

RE: the sorry state of music | from Alex NiedtJan 21 2004 - 11:41

Well said, g.n. I think everyone here has a good point, they're just not fully coming across and meshing as they should. Ultimately, I doubt anyone here is truly racist or dislikes others on this board enough to purposely attack them. Sadly, since writing typically doesn't reveal one's tone, inflection, expression, etc., tempers flare easily on these message board things.

RE: the sorry state of music | from g.n.Jan 21 2004 - 11:08

yeah, it's me again. keith, I saw that you commented. that's cool, keith. I just thought you may have meant something else by what you had said. because you weren't aware, you didn't realize how your commment could've rubbed someone the wrong way. so if you didn't mean anything by it, then I take back what I called you.
it's just that the coincidence was too great for me to dismiss the thought that you couldn't have meant something else by the remark. believe me, I tried to look past it. it was even possible that you could've meant a couple things. however, you told me where you were coming from (thanks), and you know where I was coming from. so we hopefully we understand each other now. no hard feelings, here, I hope.

but, C, I do not agree with you! Racism will continue to exist unless we learn to understand each other. your attitude is not helping.
let's say that keith DID in fact mean to say something by his comment. let's say that you saw the ambiguity in his remark. (some people did) how could you know what he meant for sure unless you addressed it? It was apparent that I knew something others didn't about the contents of keith's remark, and so I interpreted it differently. happens all the time in all kinds of situations--does it not? and I didn't cut you down for looking at it the way you did and others did. I only attacked keith.
anyway, we definitely won't squash racism if whenever someone feels a little insulted or uncomfortable about a situation, people like yourself are so quick to cut someone down for even saying anything at all. it's like you're saying, "if we pretend it's not there, then it'll go away". not true. it's still here today, and I just wasn't going to tolerate it on this message board--whether it'd be directed towards whites, blacks, asians, or whatever politically correct term you'd prefer to mockingly throw at it. I like IDAHO just as much as the next guy, and I would like to feel comfortable when I visit.
C, if you want to sit there and believe that racism still doesn't exist unless it's blatant, then you're probably the moron. if you can't even give me the benefit of the doubt after all that you now know about this particular incident, then you're probably an asshole, too.


RE: the sorry state of music | from Alex NiedtJan 21 2004 - 10:12

I agree with you, Hog.

RE: the sorry state of music | from HogJan 21 2004 - 09:17

Anyway, let's be honest: As well as the great stuff the Beatles wrote some godawful crap in their time, a lot of godawful crap. Stop canonising them, they were just a bunch of scallies with some songwriting skills, keen business minds and a lot of luck.

RE: the sorry state of music | from HogJan 21 2004 - 09:11

No it's not.

RE: the sorry state of music | from DeanJan 21 2004 - 09:06

Irking for the sake is redundant.

RE: the sorry state of music | from HogJan 21 2004 - 07:20

Nah, Lennon would've loved it. He was a contrary, mischievious little fuck. He'd be cackling with glee.
Besides, I quite like the idea myself. Anything that irks the purists is a fine enterprise.

RE: the sorry state of music | from CJan 21 2004 - 05:26

I agree with you Keith. I didn't know TGI FRiday's and Starbucks were African-American owned, either - but I understood your point about these large corporations taking over. And I am totally not surprised that someone had the audacity to turn your comments into a racial thing. Without going into detail, I deal with that lowbrow kind of mentality on a daily basis at work, and it disgusts me. Racism will never go away as long as we have these morons turning every little goddamn thing into black and white. Or if you prefer, African American and Causasian American.

And also, I am a big Beatles fan (who isn't, really?) and this whole Jay Z. thing is appalling. I wish John Lennon were still alive, to hear his thougts on this travesty.

With that said, I really wish Idaho would put another record out so we could talk about that instead.

RE: the sorry state of music | from kellyJan 20 2004 - 18:26

Yo, niggaz, chill. be ez.

RE: the sorry state of music | from Alex NiedtJan 20 2004 - 12:57

The Roots, Digable Planets, Tribe Called Quest, and early Black-Eyed Peas...

RE: the sorry state of music | from CodreanuJan 20 2004 - 12:43

...and gluttony. Anyone recall the Fat Boys?!!!

RE: the sorry state of music | from RossJan 20 2004 - 11:43

I remember when hip hop was all about peace and positivity.

RE: the sorry state of music | from Keith Jan 20 2004 - 11:11

I don't know how some of you drew the conclusion that I had anything racial intended, I didn't even know they were black owned businesses, nor do I really care. I just know they came into the town I grew up in and drove a lot of small mom and pop shops out of business. Christ, could have been walmart, mcdonalds, take your pick. What I meant to say is that this grey album idea is the epitome of commercialization in "hip hop" (when what jay-z does is in fact just pop music), and gives the real hip hop a bad name. Tgi Fridays and those chain stores all look the same, same things on the menu, poor service, get in and get out. Same thing with commercialized hip hop, emphasis on money money money (starting your own clothing line, moving into "acting") while the music is very bland, little to no artistic merit, gross exploitation of women in videos etc.
Didn't mean to offend anyone.

RE: the sorry state of music | from me Jan 20 2004 - 08:10

douchebags.

RE: the sorry state of music | from g.n.Jan 20 2004 - 07:56

and Dean, if that's how you felt about keith's comment, cool. maybe you're right. but I think Keith can speak for himself, don't you? I just felt a little insulted by what he said. is that wrong?
now, I've made that known, and I've also been able to tell you my reasons behind it. If keith's intention was to offend, then he did. perhaps it wasn't, but maybe he didn't realise that until I said something. maybe he'll read this and apologize. maybe not, but I've said my peace.

I'm moving on to another topic. ya'll take care.

RE: the sorry state of music | from g.n.Jan 20 2004 - 07:01

excuse yourself. I wasn't striving too hard. I was speaking honestly. I didn't say that you were supposed to know anything. but I think keith was aware. go back--I was addressing keith.
and I don't mind being called "Black" but, yeah, I like the term "African American" a little better.

I think YOU were striving to hard. you should relax.

RE: the sorry state of music | from RossJan 20 2004 - 06:53

People in the mainstream music making business have a lot of trouble writing actual songs. The Beastie Boys sampled the Beatles numerous times on Paul's Boutique (classic) but used samples to create different melodies. That's clever, and in my opinion artistic expression.

Now you just sample a proven hit behind the "ünz-ünz-ünz" and then you're top 40. Popular music is in such a shit state right now, it blows me away. People like Todd Rundgren were once on popular radio. That was 'fluff' back then. It's frigging high art by today's standards.

RE: the sorry state of music | from DeanJan 20 2004 - 00:55

Good call m2. g.n. that's the kind of rabble rousing second guessing that creates trouble in this world. The point re Starbucks is the corporate blanding down of the world we live in and the branding of our landscape ( not to mention destruction of all small business and replacenment by millions of mcjobs (and sweatshop labour)NOT who owns the damn thing.

RE: the sorry state of music | from m2Jan 19 2004 - 18:53

yeah. everyone knows that starbucks and TGIFridays are African-American-owned business. i mean, come on. that's totally common knowledge. who

RE: the sorry state of music | from mahaboneJan 19 2004 - 18:33

I wasn't aware that TGI Friday's or Starbucks were black-owned businesses. I didn't relate that to what Keith said. Hope I didn't appear bigoted.

Still, the "grey" album? Pah! Don't like the sound of it.

As far as hip hop, I don't care for it much, but it's not a racial issue with me. Just so happens I think the finest music ever made in this country was made by african-americans: Mississippi John Hurt, The Memphis Jug Band, Gus Cannon and other luminaries of the rural blues music sound of the 1920's and 1930's.

Good music continues to be made, but none that truly surpasses this stuff. For me.

RE: the sorry state of music | from Alex NiedtJan 19 2004 - 15:14

Oh, I get it now. That's an awful thing to say, Keith.

RE: the sorry state of music | from karthikJan 19 2004 - 13:35

I totally agree with g.n. You made a point dude....
And "Keith" you need to polish your Alma-matter little bit.

RE: the sorry state of music | from g.n.Jan 19 2004 - 13:33

I think the "grey album" idea is pretty weak, but the message I got from keith was "everything is just fine and then black people have to come in and take up all of the area". sounds like he has something against black people when he throws in "starbucks and TGIFridays". both are black-owned businesses, and don't have much to do with jay-z or the beatles. I think this analogy was a little shady.

RE: the sorry state of music | from ckJan 19 2004 - 06:52

This is from a Forbes magazine article about Jackson's fininacial problems. Not exactly tabloid fluff. The guy being interviewed is discussing the $200 million Jackson borrowed from Sony. Whether or not Jackson has defaulted, I don't know. And who is responsible for the "grey" fiasco is still a mystery:

"What's so potentially threatening about that, we don't know what the covenants are if he defaults on that. My suspicion would be Sony would probably have the right to get his stake in Sony ATV, the music publishing company which owns the Beatles' catalogue. It's very valuable, a billion dollar company altogether."

RE: the sorry state of music | from JeanJan 18 2004 - 20:42

Never eaten at Tgi Friday, but Starbucks is okay. Overpriced though.

RE: the sorry state of music | from Alex NiedtJan 18 2004 - 20:41

Oddly, I've never been to either of those places.

RE: the sorry state of music | from AndrewJan 18 2004 - 19:34

G.N. must have pretty strong feelings for Starbucks and T.G.I. Fridays.

RE: the sorry state of music | from stemsJan 18 2004 - 19:19

It seems like there's more music now than ever- more bands, more videos, more awards, more CDs, everything.

Sadly, it also seems like never before in history has a greater percentage of available music been abject horseshit.

Some hip hop has interesting beats, yeah. Big deal. It's like Bill Maher said of rap and hip hop: you can take a ton of footage of football games and edit and distill down THE most exciting 10 minute reel of football ever. That does NOT make you a football player.

RE: the sorry state of music | from mahaboneJan 18 2004 - 19:17

g.n.- why is keith a jerk? I don't get it.

RE: the sorry state of music | from KeithJan 18 2004 - 15:29

Actually I think Jay-Z might have the talent to be a decent mc, but he just got swallowed up by the commercial rubbish, never to return. The acoustic thing he did on MTV wasn't half bad, of course the huge amount of talent backing him helped. There's enough decent hip hop still around, but it's hard to watch things like this go down.

RE: the sorry state of music | from JeanJan 18 2004 - 12:13

Jackson doesn't have any financial troubles. That was a tabloid-infused story.

RE: the sorry state of music | from ronJan 18 2004 - 11:45

wacko jacko still owns all of the beatles' stuff he's always had. and yes, that is problematic. and the fact of Jay-Z recording tracks over Beatles' music is even worse. at least jackson isn't ruining the music. i'm all about breaking musical boundaries and revolutionizing music... and there is some hip-hop that i actually like, but Jay-Z is not one of them. but i think, to a large degree, that's what it means to be "creative" in hip-hop: you rap your lyrics over someone else's music. P-Diddy. Jay-Z. they're both rubbish.

RE: the sorry state of music | from ckJan 18 2004 - 11:45

Actually, I'm pretty sure Sony owns the rights to much of the Beatles catalogue because of Jackson's financial troubles.

RE: the sorry state of music | from g.n.Jan 18 2004 - 11:44

yeah, keith. they're totally taking over, right? jerk.

RE: the sorry state of music | from AndrewJan 17 2004 - 20:55

Yes Codreanu, MJ still owns the entire Beatles catalogue. And, uhhhhhggggg...

RE: the sorry state of music | from KeithJan 17 2004 - 20:17

Awful, pitiful. It's like drawing a cartoon bubble on the mona lisa saying "bling, bling!" and the landscape in the background bulldozed making way for a Starbucks and a TGI Fridays.

RE: the sorry state of music | from CodreanuJan 17 2004 - 17:35

It is indeed a pity that he should defile my favorite Beatles record with his ghetto musings. Now, I could see maybe 'Rubber Soul' (think about it!).....
On a side note, does Michael Jackson still own The Beatles catalogue? Oh well, I am sure that Mr. Geragos doesnt come cheap.

RE: the sorry state of music | from Alex NiedtJan 17 2004 - 16:15

Wow, just the thought of that makes me shiver and feel sick.

something to look forward to in March! | from brianJan 17 2004 - 15:55

this could be a long rant but i will stop myself.

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